tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post5364640162671034785..comments2023-11-03T23:18:25.999+00:00Comments on BIGNEWS MARGATE: KENT CONSERVATIVES DONT WANT CHILD ENQUIRY, WHY?Tony Flaighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15212662248741515725noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-65069662271266365142012-02-22T13:52:49.749+00:002012-02-22T13:52:49.749+00:00May be instead of insulting people, Cllr Chris Wel...May be instead of insulting people, Cllr Chris Wells with his KCC hat on, would care to answer this, seen as a Conservative led KCC hasn’t ?<br /><br />Haringey Baby P - 2008<br /><br />“Can you please confirm that is acceptable that Peter Gilroy could<br />be allowed 'to write a piece for the Conservative Shadow Government' especially when Kent county council is Conservative<br />led?<br /><br />Are not ceo staff supposed to be 'a' political in their duties?<br /><br />This letter shows a clear conflict of interest as well as bad taste<br />in touting for additional or future work; whilst being on first<br />name terms with Lord Laming could be considered some what<br />convenient.”<br /><br />Looks like the following was the only answer KCC were prepared to give which makes very interesting reading.<br /><br />“The Council has found three records meeting the scope of your request.<br /><br />1. In light of the Haringey/Baby P situation, Mr Gilroy wrote to Lord<br />Laming on 15 November 2008 enclosing a copy of his booklet: "A Personal Perspective on the Future of Social Work and Social Care" and reminding him of his experience in Child Protection and offering his<br />assistance. Copies of this booklet are available from our website<br />[1]http://shop.kent.gov.uk/mall/productpage...<br /><br />2. Lord Laming replied on 29th November 2008 and a copy of his letter is attached.<br /><br />3. Mr Gilroy wrote again to Lord Laming on 11 December attaching a copy of an article he had written entitled "A Life in Social Work" - (copy also attached). The article was also published on the MJ (Municipal Journal)'s website and in an edited version in that week's MJ magazine. There has been no written reply to this letter but Peter was verbally invited to attend a meeting on 21 January 2009 arranged by Lord Laming for what he described as "key stakeholders" to discuss various topics related to safeguarding children.”<br /><br />http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/lord_laming_cbe_chief_executive#comment-8352Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-22093898978977388542012-02-21T21:28:07.059+00:002012-02-21T21:28:07.059+00:00Why should anyone have to accept an inquiry isn...Why should anyone have to accept an inquiry isn't going to happen when clearly the whole of childrens services must be gone through with a fine tooth comb. And because KCC pays top dollar for consultants these should also be investigated along with the councillors. Families who have suffered at the hands of children services deserve to know the truth as do the public.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-75350761140406705492012-02-21T20:51:45.637+00:002012-02-21T20:51:45.637+00:00James M., an inquiry would cost a penny or two but...James M., an inquiry would cost a penny or two but nothing like the extra £15 millions that KCC have had to spend in bringing expensive consultants and others to clear up the mess. This is a county council that pays top dollar for executives to get the best but seems to have made the wrong appointments in childrens services from 2008-2011. Not only have these execs been well paid but they have also left with large payoffs for their failures. <br />So if an inquiry prevents this happening again then it would be money well spent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-6592181605008307342012-02-21T20:34:42.053+00:002012-02-21T20:34:42.053+00:00Tony isn't a lickspittle and that was a bad ch...Tony isn't a lickspittle and that was a bad choice of words by Chris. He's brought this up before, especially over the scrutiny aspect of this and I backed him on my first blog in a year last Summer on that.<br /><br />An inquiry would be a lot of money spent not to find out what caused the Ofsted report, which is in the public domain anyway, but to find someone to blame. Accepting that an inquiry isn't going to happen and instead looking to what can be done constructively to improve Children's Services is a better use of resources.James Maskellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15441611588943798565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-28249749469874904392012-02-21T18:17:39.509+00:002012-02-21T18:17:39.509+00:00Having given Cllr. Chris Wells the opportunity to ...Having given Cllr. Chris Wells the opportunity to apologise, I'm sorry I don't accept that an apology should be littered with qualifications "You have chosen to concentrate on just 6, which you believe are personally insulting to you." (how else was I meant to take them) <br /><br />Chris Wells "I have already placed a qualified apology on your blog, which you appear to have not accepted. (an apology I suggest, would typically use one of these simple phrases "I'm sorry" "I regret" or "I apologise")<br /><br />I shall refer this to Kent Councils Standards Committee. I've no wish for Cllr Wells to dodge the issue of using insulting language, councillor or not is frankly irrelevant, using offensive and inaccurate terms is not acceptable. <br /><br />Convoluted argument doesn't normally feature in an apology (a written or spoken expression of one's regret, remorse, or sorrow for having insulted, failed, injured, or wronged another)Tony Flaighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212662248741515725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-25775546095245713492012-02-21T15:24:20.310+00:002012-02-21T15:24:20.310+00:00Chris Wells, the word you used was not only offens...Chris Wells, the word you used was not only offensive, it was also very insulting, childish and more to the point completely untrue.<br />When will you learn that to win an arguement you do not have to make personal attacks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-42137451225983550412012-02-21T11:36:11.069+00:002012-02-21T11:36:11.069+00:00Dear Tony
I recently added around 1000 words to y...Dear Tony<br /><br />I recently added around 1000 words to your blog, in relation to the serious issue of KCC Childrens Services. You have chosen to concentrate on just 6, which you believe are personally insulting to you.<br /><br />I have already placed a qualified apology on your blog, which you appear to have not accepted.<br /><br />I will not waste anybody's time or taxpayers money on this matter, and acknowledge as an elected member I am expected to follow a code of behaviour different than that expected of members of the public.<br /><br />If in this case you believe I have breached that code, then I am content to make formal apology for use of a word you find offensive in describing your behaviour, placing this as comment on your blog to ensure it reaches the same readership as the original comment.<br /><br />Yours sincerely<br /><br />Chris WellsChris Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04022576946890382047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-83253275401197533022012-02-18T12:54:05.923+00:002012-02-18T12:54:05.923+00:00Tony, I know the subject is a KCC matter but as a ...Tony, I know the subject is a KCC matter but as a TDC councillor cllr Wells is also covered by the TDC code of conduct and blogging protocol.<br /><br />If you care to read, treating others with respect is one of the conditions. <br />Looks like he has overstepped the TDC code.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-44695811486173989432012-02-18T12:29:20.843+00:002012-02-18T12:29:20.843+00:00We need someone to liberate us and implement democ...We need someone to liberate us and implement democracy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-24107198905529910312012-02-18T11:05:29.720+00:002012-02-18T11:05:29.720+00:00Of course all corporate child abuse is appalling a...Of course all corporate child abuse is appalling and needs completely uncovering.Trafficking of children generates huge sums of money.<br /><br />Asylum children are being trafficked into the country whilst the indigenous children of our country are also being trafficked in huge numbers( just that you rarely hear about it in the main stream media ) by the authorities/courts (forced adoption). Both practices are unacceptable and I don't believe for one second that all the councillors and MP's or Lords who are in the dark, because they have all been made fully aware of this corporate child abuse on countless occasions by many different sources.<br /><br />The Child abuse scandal is coming out into the open and they are clearly terrified otherwise why would Robert Green have been locked up for a year for daring to expose the abuse suffered by Hollie Greig a downs syndrome child ?<br /><br />Some conveniently scream conspiracy in my opinion because they would prefer to move the goal posts or back track rather than face up to the scale of the injustices being inflicted on our children by those in positions of power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-60602642405825583172012-02-18T08:27:53.458+00:002012-02-18T08:27:53.458+00:00A far bigger scandal are the conditions that child...A far bigger scandal are the conditions that child asylum seekers are kept in!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-60074179785792324372012-02-18T01:52:51.707+00:002012-02-18T01:52:51.707+00:00Chris Wells ( KCC Conservative Councillor ) Conspi...Chris Wells ( KCC Conservative Councillor ) Conspiracy ? <br /><br />you say “I would also add that CAFFCASS is a totally autonomous body associated with the Courts and not KCC, so I am afraid whatever conspiracy theory you are working on is looking a bit thin.”<br /><br />May be you would care to explain if CAFCASS is as independent as you say and has absolutely nothing to do with KCC as you state. Why did KCC chose to deny that Amanda Barden worked for Kent County Council Children’s services prior to working for Canterbury CAFCASS as a guardian ? <br /><br />How many more have previously worked for KCC before working for CAFCASS in Kent, as this doesn’t sound very independent at all ?<br /><br />Quote<br /><br />“Interrogation of Oracle HR has revealed the system to be accurate as a record for a Mrs Amanda Jane Barden is still retained, contrary to what has been advised<br />previously. This record shows that a Mrs Barden was employed by KCC as a Senior Practitioner within Children's Services and her leaving date was 5th November 2004. I can only apologise that you and other users of the whatdotheyknow website<br />who have also asked for details of Mrs Barden's employment with KCC have been misinformed up until now.”<br /><br />http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/oracle_human_resources_incorrect<br /><br /><br />Mrs Barden, Amanda Jane MAIDSTONE E/1008145 Registered Social Worker 18/08/2010<br /><br />Could this former KCC social worker be back working for KCC again now that she no longer works for CAFCASS ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-50648424090525902032012-02-17T19:50:49.851+00:002012-02-17T19:50:49.851+00:00Actually it was me who complained, not you. Please...Actually it was me who complained, not you. Please stop trying to take credit for everything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-16130681958058332432012-02-17T17:07:17.643+00:002012-02-17T17:07:17.643+00:00Tony, I once complained about a councillor not dec...Tony, I once complained about a councillor not declaring that he had a paid interest when speaking about the Audit commission at a council meeting and Peter Sass made sure that the councillor apologised at the next meeting. But it seems to me that the only people policing such matters are the public and the same councillor now puts n/a (whatever that means) on his declaration of interests. I wounder if anybody at KCC checks these forms. For instance cllr Whittle has not signed hers and Paul Carter's is not as comprehensive as it could be, does he trade in Kent? <br /><br /><br /><br />And to quote JM'scomment above "Inter-country adoption is entirely legal as long as its done within the law, which as far as we can see, it is."<br /><br />Most things are legal if done within the law!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-34282143635577045062012-02-17T14:25:27.816+00:002012-02-17T14:25:27.816+00:00There's a breakdown of the £104k spent as well...There's a breakdown of the £104k spent as well as answering most questions asked within the FOI thread. Inter-country adoption is entirely legal as long as its done within the law, which as far as we can see, it is.James Maskellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15441611588943798565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-52172545204223656392012-02-17T14:25:22.211+00:002012-02-17T14:25:22.211+00:00I have to say this post has been once again hijack...I have to say this post has been once again hijacked by conspiracy theorist, basically what the public is entitled to know is how and why management at KCC allowed children to be at risk. <br /><br />Consevatives can talk to till the cows come home, about the council belatedly bringing things up to standard etc, what we need to know is who allowed things to get so bad and why child services had no effective scrutiny. Was it the politicians or the officers?<br /><br />Re Chris Wells I expect a clear apology, for his abusive comment, and would draw his attention to the email sent Peter Sass (KCC democratic services), a copy of which has been sent to his KCC email address and also his Leader's Paul Carter.<br /><br />Since Chris is so concerned about costs, he can retract his obnoxious comment or I will pursue this through the councils standards board.<br /><br />I haven't deleted his comment as since I've been working nights this week, the damage was well and truly done by the time I saw it, and I suppose at least it informs us on how Kent Conservatives view the electorate.Tony Flaighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212662248741515725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-78552849000651822702012-02-17T13:51:27.997+00:002012-02-17T13:51:27.997+00:00Well done to Brian and his team for exposing the a...Well done to Brian and his team for exposing the abuse of children within the authorities, including mentioning Kent in his latest newspaper.<br /><br />If Kent children services have nothing to hide why are they so reluctant to answer why children are being sent abroad at a cost of over £104,000 . Children can simply vanish off the face of the earth and we are supposed to trust these people , something is very wrong ?<br /><br />Foreign Adoptive Parents Airfares<br /><br />http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/foreign_adoptive_parents_airfare#incoming-254588Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-3865905942562034652012-02-17T11:38:51.994+00:002012-02-17T11:38:51.994+00:00Cllr Chris Wells
Just because your family has be...Cllr Chris Wells <br /><br />Just because your family has been lucky enough not to have been targeted by these individuals or the common sense not to use their “services” this doesn’t absolve you from your vicarious liability as a corporate parent and totally responsible for the actions of children services . All elected councillors have a universal duty to “looked after” children as corporate parents and you can never cease to be responsible whilst you are elected. <br /><br />If your “relative” has connections with or links to KCC children social services I would definitely deem this to be a conflicts of interests. All elected corporate parents must declare all interests however loosely who profit from children through children services, we either have transparent services or we don’t .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-57520264611526336322012-02-17T09:34:17.409+00:002012-02-17T09:34:17.409+00:00James, with respect, it is not a good idea to flip...James, with respect, it is not a good idea to flippantly embroil yourself in this very serious business, just for the sake of defending your party. There is ample evidence, in the eyes of the public, that something is seriously wrong here.<br /><br />Unfortunately, the way things stand at the moment, an enquiry will find itself coming up against brick walls, threats and tempting offers.<br /><br />As Brian said in the video, there are people out there successfully using commercial liens to tackle this scourge. I think this is the way to go, we need to reclaim our common law rights for a bloodless victory.CIChttp://www.creditorsincommerce.com/audio.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-63124686836578053612012-02-16T23:13:30.786+00:002012-02-16T23:13:30.786+00:00No, Im not suggesting that and yes, I am a Tory. N...No, Im not suggesting that and yes, I am a Tory. Neither should be a suprise since Ive said both before, and it says more about you than it says about me that you ask that. <br /><br />What could be learnt from an inquiry now that isn't already known and being acted upon, as we can see from the reports on progress against the Improvement Plan?<br /><br />If we are going to go down the child snatching argument, there's no credible evidence of this, other than the accounts of unfortunate people whose children have been put into care, which are matters for courts not the internet.James Maskellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15441611588943798565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-73631969942369720672012-02-16T21:52:13.706+00:002012-02-16T21:52:13.706+00:00James are you suggesting that transparency is not ...James are you suggesting that transparency is not the best policy your not another Tory by any chance are you ?<br /><br />Exposure is clearly what is needed after all if they have nothing to hide why worry ....<br /><br />Obviously even some KCC councillors are suddenly getting very worried and rightly so.<br /><br />Listen to this and you will find out why it is crucial that we must have transparent services around children.<br /><br />Brian GerrishThe British Resistance<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwvKhloXud8Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-81299310260924250512012-02-16T21:26:36.339+00:002012-02-16T21:26:36.339+00:00I would also add that CAFFCASS is a totally autono...I would also add that CAFFCASS is a totally autonomous body associated with the Courts and not KCC, so I am afraid whatever conspiracy theory you are working on is looking a bit thin.Chris Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04022576946890382047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-67482698039285461382012-02-16T21:15:10.873+00:002012-02-16T21:15:10.873+00:00I do not believe anyone is required to acknowledge...I do not believe anyone is required to acknowledge adoption as an interest in the way you suggest; doI have an interest in the NHS if I have children born there? or in KCCif my children use their schools? I suspect there are real privacy issues there. I know of Mr Cowans because he has spoken of it in council. I cannot comment on who or which solicitors are used by the legal department at KCC or for what purposes, they are a separate department in their own right.<br /><br />I would assume a trawl through members interest forms would give some clues though.Chris Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04022576946890382047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-7400183358589422172012-02-16T20:31:30.503+00:002012-02-16T20:31:30.503+00:00Vicarious Liability (criminal) means - "To ho...Vicarious Liability (criminal) means - "To hold one person liable for the actions of another when engaged in some form of joint or collective activity". So, if you know a crime is about to happen, is happening, or has happened, but you do nothing about it, 'YOU' are just as guilty as those who perpetrated the crimes."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-26037244440791555752012-02-16T20:29:07.009+00:002012-02-16T20:29:07.009+00:00The last comment underlines the argument that FOI ...The last comment underlines the argument that FOI can and will be abused...James Maskellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15441611588943798565noreply@blogger.com