tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post8058519938348510203..comments2023-11-03T23:18:25.999+00:00Comments on BIGNEWS MARGATE: Outrage as Hutton suggests Public Sector pay more for their PensionsTony Flaighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15212662248741515725noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-80063734938351111242010-10-13T15:19:56.508+01:002010-10-13T15:19:56.508+01:00Cheers EdCheers EdTony Flaighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212662248741515725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-44733434252896231312010-10-13T00:49:13.688+01:002010-10-13T00:49:13.688+01:00Oh come, come, Anon, Tony has no interest in facts...Oh come, come, Anon, Tony has no interest in facts. They get in the way of his bigoted, offensive rants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-67948673014065574362010-10-12T11:58:37.467+01:002010-10-12T11:58:37.467+01:00Can we just get the facts straight please Maternit...Can we just get the facts straight please Maternity Leave Entitlement is available to ALL WORKING women who meet the criteria, it is not a public sector perk! <br /><br />Statutory paid annual leave is a minimum of 20 days - so to keep it simple if any working women took a years maternity leave, 'she' would accrue at least 20 days and assuming she worked a 5 day week be entitled to 4 weeks paid leave on 'her' return.<br /><br />And no I don't have any children!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-48559812681429105472010-10-12T11:02:31.342+01:002010-10-12T11:02:31.342+01:00Methinks you do protest too much, dear Tony. You f...Methinks you do protest too much, dear Tony. You fool no-one but yourself. Now calm down and have another moan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-5821778057650924292010-10-12T10:52:33.566+01:002010-10-12T10:52:33.566+01:004 52 do email me your comment (too long) and I wil...4 52 do email me your comment (too long) and I will publish it<br /><br />7 24 from your comment I take it you had a repressed upbring, and on tuition fees I have always be against Labours first attack on universal benefits of free education. Re family, mine being Liberal we were bought up to discuss issues<br /><br />Excuse me 7 51 "Clive" I have yet to abuse anyone here, with reference to complaints about ECR these have been regarding defamatory comments which he refused to remove despite a polite request. No wonder he is so interested in libel reform.<br />I have little in common with any Torys, finally reference to my work was only mentioned in context of Labour shroud waving (suggest you look it up) oh and the reason track workers are sitting idly or more likely standing, is because they have moved from the "four foot" the track on which your train is moving to a position of safety. As for hatred jealousy have a look in the mirror old chap.Tony Flaighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212662248741515725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-86013236561210701562010-10-12T10:17:02.979+01:002010-10-12T10:17:02.979+01:0010:23 PM
As an ex-soldier of many years service I...10:23 PM<br /><br />As an ex-soldier of many years service I can say categorically that there are far too many civilian public servants in the MOD doing non-jobs. Indeed, at some 86,000 of them there are nearly as many as there are actual soldiers.<br /><br />Add their silly equivalent ranks, who dreamed up that a civvy driver was equal to a uniformed sergeant for example, and all their expenses perks and you have chronic waste.<br /><br />The argument is not a clear cut one. Cuts are not necessarily an assault on all public sector workers, many of whom are essential, but there are also many who could go and no one would miss them.<br /><br />By the way, to the poor little red contributor ever looking for splits in the coalition, just dream on sunshine. There are probably more splits in the Labour shadow cabinet not to mention Cain and Abel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-70625875094478845632010-10-12T07:51:40.713+01:002010-10-12T07:51:40.713+01:00Tony, you are one of the curious crowd who feels f...Tony, you are one of the curious crowd who feels free to - and does - abuse others quite regularly, but then whines and bleats when others use tough and direct language towards you. Your constant past complaints about ECR especially have marked you out in that respect.<br /><br />You have far more in common, in terms of behaviour (and opinions), with certain local Tory luminaries than you say and believe you have.<br /><br />But this is your blog, to indulge yourself in misinformation, mis-shaped policy, moans and breast-beating as you see fit. And if you prefer not to have comments from those who disagree with you, fine; I for one have no problem with that. I shall, though, look forward to you standing for election to the Council - if you choose to do so, of course - when your inability to cope with opposing views, and your jealousy and hatred towards those who would be working for you as an elected member, may well come back to haunt.<br /><br />I shall think of you in your dangerous "worthier than thou" job next time my train is delayed and slowly passing a track worker sitting idly eating a pie rather than mending the rail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-76289766584435495072010-10-12T07:24:20.498+01:002010-10-12T07:24:20.498+01:00Oh dear, Flaig family differences almost as obviou...Oh dear, Flaig family differences almost as obvious as those about to hit the Condom Coalition. Think tuition fees, Chippy Tone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-81601221419340002412010-10-12T04:52:56.749+01:002010-10-12T04:52:56.749+01:00sorry 2 post as the first said it was rejected, as...sorry 2 post as the first said it was rejected, as too long so with my genes i posted again :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-22548356907070346142010-10-12T04:43:30.797+01:002010-10-12T04:43:30.797+01:00hi Tony, yes I did have an insane amount of holida...hi Tony, yes I did have an insane amount of holiday to take but our contracts change when I was off sick with the twins pregnancy, so I got 7 day added on to my real leave, which is almost 2 weeks in real money.<br />but I when I found out. took it in My mat leave, which was the same for both private and public sector at the time, so I shortened my mat leave, this cost me more in tax and NI, then I had to pay my pension contributions from my first months pay or not pay as it out, as I owed my pension, I then went on to pay.<br />when I actually returned to work all but about 300 pounds for the nursery, in fact it was 294 pounds a month I cleared after nursery, I think 50 pound on petrol to get to work, so as a nurse I was earning in real terms about 250 pound's a month, I was a junior sister grade, so what do you want? experienced Nurses or those who have just qualified? they need nurturing most nurses of my age 40 have 1 to 3 children needing care, they all stay in work because they care about people, that is why Nursing wages are low compared to the private sector, and last I heard what you earned you out priced me, you earned far more, PS you seemed to have forgotten Steph was made redundant in 2000 only saved by Macmillian, and if you look up agenda for change, you will see NHS workers are easy to fire.heathernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-60779337047868284462010-10-12T04:12:51.382+01:002010-10-12T04:12:51.382+01:00Dear Uncle, sorry I am e-mailing you too, missing ...Dear Uncle, sorry I am e-mailing you too, missing you a lot, yes I had an insane amount of leave to take, but that was because I went on mat leave just when the rules changed and I was given 7 days almost 2 weeks, back, as I had over 10 years continuous service in the NHS, last time you discussed pay you where earning more than me, also the maternity thing was both private and public, as a statutory right, I choose to help my employer by going back on the agreed date, and take my holiday as part of my maternity time, I was hit both by my pension contributions and tax with this decision, but I did it as unlike private sector employees we in the public sector, not all I will be honest, but we believe in the care of all and will go the extra mile for no other reason than, people trust us and deserve it, it is hard for people outside to understand that, but if you could see me in 2003 hiding under a table to avoid the phone calls, and them on the premises of solicitors who wanted illegally to take client details you would know, the time a patients son held me by the trough in 1993, he apologised a few days later, the time I was trapped in the rest room, when the police, where trying to get a teenage murderer in the hospital, 2000, the time we had to keep the wear about's of the 2 survivors of the Chinese in the container, secret to the point another area in the hospital was maned as an ITU, not easy, and not easy with the press outside, they even gave out the story they had been moved, when they hadn't.<br />I witnessed a elderly man being told his wife, (he was in his late 70's) being told that his wife who had been caught up in a fire on the sofa, would most probably survive said "are you sure?, because I tried to kill her"<br />I have held people in X ray who have been killed for the police records, you have to be there as murder victims get rigor mortise sooner, so are not the most compliant patients.<br />the other down side is you do see friends and family under your care the nurse who phoned me from London about my Dad was someone I trained with oddly, not a friend, but I knew her it is a small word, Mums physio for her back was a friend in Stafford.<br />Nursing and allied profession's are not a job for life as i pointed out about Steph and her entire ward made redundant in 2000, they got saved at the last knockings but they never got their redundancy Payment, which they should have been as they had notice, they never thought that, all she could think about was her patients.heathernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-35993288338594189222010-10-11T22:23:06.581+01:002010-10-11T22:23:06.581+01:00Wow! Who'd have thought that capitalist conse...Wow! Who'd have thought that capitalist conservatives where 2 a penny in deprived Thanet!<br /><br />So I'm a parasitic public servant am I? Are soldiers, police, firemen, nurses, doctors and teachers parasites as well who have been too lazy to test themselves? or are you just an idiot 5:10pm?<br /><br />No point commenting further, I see you are too busy reading your copy of the Daily Mail or sitting like a rabid pitbull in front of Sky News.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-81368313220098953042010-10-11T17:10:35.402+01:002010-10-11T17:10:35.402+01:00I know the answer. Correctly identify the public s...I know the answer. Correctly identify the public sector as parasites who have played a massive part in dragging UK to its knees and, instead of a pension, give them their contributions back. <br /><br />For many decades the UK has over rewarded the low risk personality attracted to public sector bureaucracy work. <br /><br />Now we see the all work test being applied to 2.5 million people on incapacity benefits. Guess what ? This test will show that many were always capable of writing, reading and using a keyboard. They could have had the public sector jobs but these jobs were largely taken by able bodied lazy parasites unwilling to test themselves in further education or in private sector competitive employ or entrepreneurship. <br /><br />I agree with Bluenote. The public sector will squeal when at long last the first nip of reality comes calling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-1928130293331802592010-10-11T15:24:07.470+01:002010-10-11T15:24:07.470+01:00Dear David your view is your own I do not share it...Dear David your view is your own I do not share it, naturally you would side with the idea of me forking out large amounts from a precarious job, however there is no justification for the mismatch in incomes and benefits between safe public sector workers for ordinary working people like me.<br /><br />Obviously you since your own party is investing its future in throwing any amount of dirt justified or otherwise its no surprise you say what you say.<br /><br />Heather you say you could earn more in the US however you fail to mention the insanely generous holiday pay arrangements which you commented on having returned from maternity leave, only to find you had a mountain of holiday leave to take much acquired on in the months off from work.<br /><br />Heather do email me, are you coming back to civilisation? tonyflaig@gmail.com also you known how I dont like being rude to family, so I've held back !Tony Flaighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212662248741515725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-26803309157839667602010-10-11T10:32:49.508+01:002010-10-11T10:32:49.508+01:00Dear Tony
I know a lot of what you publish is tou...Dear Tony<br /><br />I know a lot of what you publish is toungue in cheek, but you do seem sadly uninformed over public sector pensions.<br />I have had both public and private sector jobs. In each case I, like any sensible person looks at the overall employment package, that is salary, promotion prosepects, perks such as private health insurance, holday entitlement and defered salary in the form of pension provision. To try to isolate one aspect is misleading and unfair.<br />In my case, at one time the overall package was in favour of the private sector job offer, at another time the public sector package won out, even though the salary was lower and there were fewer perks.<br />The tax payer pays for all public sector workers salary packages one way or another. That is the nature of things. In my experience salaries are tighter controled in the public sector and there are fewer perks.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07552625950299268077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-58343032943422587002010-10-11T06:56:53.380+01:002010-10-11T06:56:53.380+01:00Hello Uncle :)
I think you could be confused? we ...Hello Uncle :) <br />I think you could be confused? we in the NHS pay a pension. it's not free and many of my friends got suckered in the 90's into private pensions, so opted out, as they seemed cheaper, the pension is index linked and we pay a sightly less NI contribution's, but we do pay into our pensions, I have 19 years of paying which as a 40 year old, I am way ahead of most British people, including my husband who only started under my nagging at 34 in his private pension, in the private sector, I also have a private pension, which has been going about 10 years. the NHS pension is good but the only "perk" you get as a Nurse, in the US I could earn double what I could get in the UK, and in private health in the UK a 1/3 more, in normal nursing, in my specialism Occupational Health I was being sold outside at 68 pounds an hour unqualified in OH, and I could do that as an individual,when I get my qualification, ( and when I get qualified we are talking private for me hundreds of pounds) but I don't and won't because I love the NHS and also selfishly I want a good pension, my wages aren't great, but I will have a standard of living in the future I hope?heathernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-20928844018511582882010-10-10T23:30:33.834+01:002010-10-10T23:30:33.834+01:00not clive 8:20 sunday 10
You seem to make more as...not clive 8:20 sunday 10<br /><br />You seem to make more assumptions than I, just for the record, google identified your comment as spam, probably by due to the predictable pro labour hog wash hence a delay in appearing.<br /><br />I think your a purveyor of porkies, and an accomplished propagandist.<br /><br />I see a bit of shroud waving, from the public sector and yes if I did a sedentary job I would feel intimidated however I work in a potentially dangerous environment, not least being often in proximity of a 750 volt conductor rail( which I'm told will microwave you inside out) still its my choice to work in the rail industry.<br /><br />I have a lot of respect for those who do tough jobs in the public sector, although this has developed into a boring argument, and none of your fellow Labour supporters has explained why I should subsidise the pension of people who are paid more than me, more secure etc. <br /><br />Anon comments are welcome but cowardly abuse such as yours is of course always irritating and if you don't like it you can always .....Tony Flaighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212662248741515725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-78356298496163501482010-10-10T08:20:07.556+01:002010-10-10T08:20:07.556+01:00Occasionally, you do try to be witty, Tony, I'...Occasionally, you do try to be witty, Tony, I'll give you that, but mostly your posts are ignorant and borderline offensive. You may dub me whatever you like, but to educate you, my name is not Clive, I am not a member of the Labour Party, and have no connection with those who clearly intrigue you so much.<br /><br />I see that, as ever, you are back to your fall-back issue of anonymous posting. As I have said before, if you don't want anonymous posts, or you only want them if they suck up to your point of view, then ban them.<br /><br />My point - clearly lost on you - is that the public pays for you (wages and pension) as much as the public sector staff whom you hate so much. I don't care how much you earn and so on, but you should reflect on that before you post further hostile comments about other groups in society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-63862375190588134712010-10-09T19:26:46.900+01:002010-10-09T19:26:46.900+01:005:44 PM
Sorry to disappoint, old fruit, but no, I...5:44 PM<br /><br />Sorry to disappoint, old fruit, but no, I am not a councillor and get just the state pension plus a small private one I funded myself over many years, the latter substantially lower thanks to Gordon Brown's pension fund raid.<br /><br />No offence intended but still think you write a load of boring drivel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-41865353630891031192010-10-09T17:44:38.538+01:002010-10-09T17:44:38.538+01:003:46:00 PM
Are you a common purpose graduate by...3:46:00 PM <br /><br />Are you a common purpose graduate by any chance and how big is your pension , do councillor's receive a pension from the council?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-43105940280481416312010-10-09T15:46:17.079+01:002010-10-09T15:46:17.079+01:002:32 PM
Well that thoroughly boring epic certainl...2:32 PM<br /><br />Well that thoroughly boring epic certainly stifled further debate on the subject though precisely what it had to do with pensions beats me.<br /><br />Do you ever read what you have written and wonder if it brings pleasure to anyone else or even contributes to the debate. Doubt it and what a dull existence you must lead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-89592139586992965692010-10-09T14:32:46.707+01:002010-10-09T14:32:46.707+01:00CP Doublespeak: Change means Chaos
TOP COMMON PUR...CP Doublespeak: Change means Chaos<br /><br />TOP COMMON PURPOSE SCAMS<br /> <br />1. False pretences - pretend to be an educational charity when your objectives are really political. <br /><br />2. Corrupt public servants - they then do what their friends in the Common Purpose network tell them instead of working for the public good. Make them happy to breach the Seven Principles of Public Life as set out by the Committee on Standards in Public Life and act ultra vires - beyond their powers. <br /><br />3. Abuse public funds - get your hands on as much public money as possible and then use it for your own ends. <br /><br />4. Fraud - obtain money for training unlawfully by pretending the courses are of benefit to the taxpayer. <br /><br />5. Abuse due process - take council decisions outside democratic process. <br /><br />6. Evade tax - Common Purpose uses public sector facilities and office space for which it has made no payment nor signed any formal agreements in order to evade tax. <br /><br />7. Breach data protection laws and ensure that Common Purpose members in the Information Commissioner's Office prevent action from being taken. <br /><br />8. Undermine the hierarchical management structure of the police and armed forces. <br /><br />9. Silence the media - recruit media editors as Common Purpose members so the corrupt activities of Common Purpose will not be discussed in the mainstream media. <br /><br />10. Keep schtum - hold meetings according to the Chatham House rules with no agenda or records. <br /><br />http://www.stopcp.com/cptopscams.phpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-66523868405318548932010-10-08T23:59:42.887+01:002010-10-08T23:59:42.887+01:00£25 k a year as a tdc help desk officer, security ...£25 k a year as a tdc help desk officer, security and cleaning contracted out as tdc cannot afford to pay council rates for the job- seems fairly well paid to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-75763985258439837612010-10-08T23:27:07.611+01:002010-10-08T23:27:07.611+01:00Wonder how much will be paid out in pensions to th...Wonder how much will be paid out in pensions to this little lot....shhhhhhhh these are never spoken about in county hall the councillors just pretend they dont exist.<br /><br /><br />Common Purpose graduates associated with Kent County Council<br /><br />http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/common_purpose_graduates_associa_3#incoming-119456Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25954340.post-92121399252177764302010-10-08T19:20:25.564+01:002010-10-08T19:20:25.564+01:00There are plenty of people who put their lives on ...There are plenty of people who put their lives on the line for this country and to defend others who get no pension for it. WWII veterans, National Servicemen, armed services regulars who, prior to August 1975, served less than 22 years, all get no pension for that service. Were their lives somehow worth less than today's public servants?<br /><br />Worse still, when a Labour government introduced deferred pension rights for servicemen in 1975 they did not make it retrospective and even encouraged others to leave early on cash hand shakes so they would not qualify for a pension under under the new rules.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com