I realise that my choice of entertainment is not normal source material for a blog, however on the morning commute, amongst the mix I usually listen to, that ranges between Sinatra, Motown, Bowie, good knows what else, my iPod/phone's random selection, Elgar's Land of Hope and Glory.
Music often sets the mood for the day, yesterday the Beach Boys fun, fun, fun bought the suggesting of summer holidays, and this morning Elgar's music which at one time would have summoned up a mood of national pride, history and all that malarkey, but just left me empty.
I've considered why pride in Britain and it's heritage is hard to muster and it's this Liberal, Labour and Conservative politicians have sold this nations sovereignty to a blancmange of Eurocrats, this country no longer legislates for it's own people, even worse, we have surrendered our borders, millions now live in this country, who've no investment in the country and by that I mean historic and cultural links, distinct from those of us whose families, have contributed to Britain as it is today, over many years, funding and creating a civilised infrastructure of Education, Health, Welfare and Law.
The chances are that in discussing this I'm breaking the law, still it's my belief that uncontrolled migration has damaged this country and things will only get worse.
You can take this as the moronic ranting of, well a moron, or a plea for politicians to invest and protect the British people, those of us who actually built this country and maintain the facade of a once great nation.
So I take it you've left the Lib Dems and joined either UKIP or the BNP?
ReplyDeleteTony has never been a liberal, despite his support of the party. He's one of Thatcher's children.
Delete21:52 exactly when are people allowed to discuss immigration, 4 million turn up in the country, unplanned in the last ten years, even some of those former labour ministers responsible have acknowledged their mistake.
DeleteYou seem more ignorant than most, admittedly there is a lot of hearsay and rumour on this discussion, but that is only because people like you, are too delicate to talk about this issue.
01:08 I've never been one of Thatcher's children as you put it, and if I were I'd be the one permanently estranged.
Having grown up division does not mean you're a Nazi
Do we really need the BNP in Thanet when we have local Conservatives with the same values?
DeleteHow typical of the so called enlightened that if anyone discusses immigration they must immediately belong to some right wing fringe group. Strangely enough, even the Labour leadership have now recognised that the uncontrolled immigration under their tenure was a mistake and has placed unacceptable burdens on our services and resources.
ReplyDeleteAs with the debate on gay marriage elsewhere the main bigotry comes from those of alleged tolerance. Support their case or you are a homophobe whilst here, support uncontolled immigration or you are racist, facist or both.
Me, well I am just English who kind of liked my country the way it used to be. Oh, and before someone suggests I am insular, I used to live in Africa but got driven out because my face was the wrong colour.
If you're so liberal minded Tony, then why is it that you haven't even mentioned the gay marriage debate? Or do you only care about things that effect you personally?
ReplyDeleteThe gay marriage debate is done and while it is indicative of the liberal traditions of this country, for me it was a waste of time, set as it is during a time when human trafficking have become commonplace.
ReplyDeleteBy default I take that you 10:37 believe yourself to be a liberal, good for you now take the blinkers off, take a look at this country as it now is, compare with say 15 years ago.
Briefly I've no hostility to homosexuality agree that people should have partnership that are the equal of marriage but don't believe you can refer to them as marriage simply because dictionary's have always referred to a union between man and woman.
And of course as a couple of coworkers pointed out, why should they have to accommodate, gay marriage when God had taught them that such relationships were wrong. (Not my view, but that said they have a point, which is where the church is coming from, and although I don't have any faith issue, it's worth acknowledging that like or not the church has given us the British people our liberal and social reforms.
You could always pack your bags Tony and join the other 4.7 millions brits that live outside the UK. Its not all one way traffic.
ReplyDeleteIf only! That way he'll find out how tough it can be to be an immigrant.
DeleteI constantly work alongside migrants, doing the same work, I've no personal issue, or the prejudice that you seem to display anon.
DeleteI suspect that you don't have the slightest idea of my work, I work long unsocial hours and I find that generally myself and coworkers judge people honestly on whether they contribute to the job or have to be carried.
Like anyone else I treat people as equals, but you seem to have a blind prejudice against reason and if I might say your fellow countrymen.
You automatically make assumptions Tony as my "fellow countrymen" are in Croatia, or most of them are anyway!
DeleteSo you say, with no way of proving otherwise? One assumption I always have with anonymous contributors is that they have something to hide.
DeleteUnless they agree with you of course.
DeleteLook back in history and you will find that the development of this country was based on immigrants. Start at the Romans and 400 years later the Germans and more recents those across Europe fleeing Natzi percecution. After WW2 800 millions from the empire were given entry rights. The list goes on and we have been dependent upon them for the arts, medicine and science and in the business world including the banking dynastys. Thats who helped make Britain great.
ReplyDeleteSorry I'm sure that you're not an idiot 16:21 although your comment gives little clue, other than to suggest you've not understood the point.
DeleteBritain can be proud of it's record on migration, although I'm sure the Romans happened to have been invaders, yes no doubt migrants have contributed vastly including my great grandfather who came from a village in Thuringia, who along with others from the same area contributed significantly to the small but important industry of scientific instrument manufacture, particularly important, during two world wars as Germany was a major supplier of such products. My grandfather (1st generation British) started his own business in 1912 which exported all over the world and at times employed well over a hundred people. So thanks for the history lesson and your patronising history lesson.
Apologies for the digression, anyway my grandfather had very specific skills, and was recruited with I think three or four others.
I can't help but think, you would not have to go back as far a the late 19th century, to a time, when some of us British citizens might have questioned the wisdom of 600,000 plus a year arriving with no discussion or indeed adequate infrastructure.
I'm sorry 16:21 but you seem very shallow and stupid.
Finally I could not see myself as a welcome migrant anywhere for this reason, I have nothing to contribute in the way of skills which couldn't be acquired, in a month or two, and I wouldn't expect to foist myself on another county unless as an exile from a country ruled by brainless F-wits such as yourself able to repeat half asked politically correct mantras extolling benefits of filling this country so full of migrants that British nationals become a minority.
Set your brain to this simple question is there any increase in population from outside the UK which might allow a cretin like you to entertain a rational discussion on migration? How many more 1, 2, 3 .....million
No-one has criticised Tony for mentioning immigration, nor has anyone suggested he is a Nazi or an extreme right-winger for doing so. The POINT is simply that the line he is pursuing seems alien - pun intended - to Liberal Democrat policy and thinking and more aligned to certain other parties. The same applies to his outbursts on other subjects. It is just jaw-dropping to see him claim to be a Liberal Democrat.
ReplyDeleteSo suggesting he belongs to the BNP is not calling him an extreme right winger. And for the Roman expert, there is a huge difference between some immigration into a sparsley populated backward country and immigration in hundreds of thousands into a densely populated over crowded island with a more generous benefit system than the place left behind. That is a recipe for distaster.
DeleteI'm not entirely sure, but political parties 18 15 in a democracy are formed of individuals not clones since you are not identified I can only assume you are a Labour party supporter which probably requires a lobotomy.
DeleteTrying to answer activist and idiots just becomes circular just address the post not me.
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DeleteOK, I'll use my real name if it satisfies your paranoia.
ReplyDeleteOf course political parties are formed of individuals, over here and in my homeland. But surely they must at least believe in most of their party policy? I've been over here since I fled the Bosnian conflict in 1993 (hence my pretty ok English), and I've always voted Labour except at the last election when I voted for "your" party the Lib-Dems. I certainly wouldn't have done so if the local candidate was againsy immigration in the European Union.
Cheers Jakov surely you most appreciate that there has to be a limit to migration, just how many people can this country support.
ReplyDeleteI'm not against sustainable migration or this country giving refuge, I'm sorry you think I'm against.
And please be clear on this point, I am a liberal Democrat but don't speak for them.
I don't like be accused of being a fascist as one commentator suggested.
Tony, I don't believe you are a fascist, any more than I can accept you saying that a Labour supporter needs a lobotomy. I vote Labour, and always have done. That is the extent of my "activism". As it stands at the moment, that makes me considerably less of a social paraiah than you as a member of the deeply unpopular Lib Dems. Bottom line is that your sort of brusque name-calling is inappropriate and unconstructive.
ReplyDeleteMy reason for questioning your commitment to Lib Dem policies and beliefs is simply your tendency to identify issues and trumpet issues that are on the agenda of the far-right parties and to use language that is similar to theirs. As Jakov says, that is not what most peole would expect of a Liberal Democrat, and especially one who stood for election under the Party's banner. It is refreshing that you have your own particular views, but, candidly, they often seem way outside the normal parameters of the Party to which you are committed.
Frankly you've got some weird ideas, we live in a democracy people are allowed to discuss what they like I understand that labour have a lot to answer for for the economic fallout of migration being one subject taboo with your lot.
DeleteSomething like eighty percent of the population is concerned by mass immigration and entitled to discuss it.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed, and nor do I take the view that anybody raising it is certain to be a racist or a xenophobe. But the way you raised it - almost suggesting that it is the root of all the nation's ills - and the language you used - on this occasion and previously - is very, very similar to the style of political parties way to the right of your own. Perhaps you need to look more closely at your personal principles and instincts and hold those against the official Lib Dem line to see how closely they match.
ReplyDelete09 00 You are surely a modern day Nazi, red herrings abound with your repressive argument and continued slurs, I can only assume you are one of those business people who, benefit from ruthless exploration of labour or an apologist for labour.
DeletePlease address the topic
Playing the racist/xenophobe card is a way to avoid the issue of overcrowding. It was/is social theorists who created ethnicity labelling. The social experiment of "Multiculturalism" is unlawful to impose. That would be true even if the theory had merit.
ReplyDeleteBut the theory is a nonsense. Its basis is that ALL cultures within one land are of equal merit. The fallacy of this is exposed by the apologists, for multiculturalism, themselves. Because it is they who reject the cultures of BNP, EDL. They reject homophobia except within the social theorist approved catholic and muslim cultures.
This country had lost its Common Law, common sense, rights to peace, common courtesy, common decency way before the postwar waves of immigration.
Whether the social theorists and closet republicans in academia planned this ?
But we see nonsense upon nonsense being treated seriously now. The Lawrence Inquiry being a case in point. Black people claiming to be treated worse by police than white people are. How many white people did they ask ?
And the moment Tony raises the overcrowding social tension issue he is attacked as of dubious politics. Yet Baroness Howells and Doreen Lawrence never faced such questions about, for example, IRA supportive SWP politics and sympathies.
And the joke of that is surely that whilst supporting the rights of Irish to a homeland they castigate any whisper that the English would like an identifiable homeland too. English by culture not by genetics.
I want an apology from HM Govt for the Irish and English slaves shipped in chains to the West Indies where on Barbados they outnumbered black slaves 5 to 1.
I want a thank you from Africa to the white Europeans who fought the Muslims in Barbary wars to end slavery in Africa.
And I want it accepted by HMG that "Institutionalized racism" was in fact invented, by psychologist researchers, as a red herring concept to test 1971 police recruits for malleability and gullibility.
No true debate about the way forward can occur without first dismantling the ethnic minority propaganda case.
What a pity, Tony, that after your rightful protest about being labelled right-wing (for which I have fairly explained my rationale), you are then so quick to slap the term Nazi on me. Quick and utterly misguided. You are clearly a plain and simple bully.
ReplyDeleteWhat a pity, you cannot address the topic, your arguments are pretty much the same dire standard as Clive Hart perhaps worse (no that's not possible, is it?
DeleteTony, I think you need to go to school
DeleteDo we really need the BNP in Thanet when we have local Conservatives with the same values?
ReplyDeleteFirstly, 12:03, Tony is a Lib/Dem, not a Conservative. Where has any Conservative on this blog quoted BNP type views? Also, to answer your question, yes we probably do need the BNP in Thanet to counter balance PC left wing bigots like you.
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