Presumably having read Bignews Margate over the last couple of days, Cllr Alan Poole has revised his story concerning the debacle of Thanets waste collections, it seems he and Thanets Councils Waste Management, oh and the union still cling to the view that it was too dangerous to clear rubbish on Christmas Eve, although clearly his more level headed colleagues, don't share his views.
A new version of events was emailed to the offices of Bignews Margate @ 17:21 Friday (I've only just noticed it) , as you can imagine, weakened by misinformation (porkies) from TDC about when bins were getting emptied, I took a break, anyhoo ignoring the adjusted info, there was this ray of sunshine amongst the bull "it is anticipated we will have completed any outstanding collections by the end of planned collections on Saturday".
As you may spot, a weasel worded promise, which you'll be surprised, left large areas still full of rubbish at the end of today. I won't reproduce Alan Pooles statement here because I prefer facts on these pages but if you want to see visit Thanet council La-la Land here.
Call me a cynic but on a drive around the area today, I noticed those area's you expect might not vote Labour are amongst those still neglected by our Labour Thanet Council.
Just finishing up Cllr Clive Hart has at times when the Council's reputation has been criticised dragged up one his Tory predecessors, who for his misdeeds went to prison, a bad thing and I know I shouldn't think like this, but at least bins got emptied before he was rumbled.
I'll leave the Last word to Thanet Conservatives latest press release.
TDC Conservative Group calls for Labour Leader Clive Hart to take responsibility for Thanet’s waste and refuse service away from current portfolio holder, Cllr Alan Poole
The Conservative Group at Thanet District Council is calling for the Labour Leader, Cllr Clive Hart to take responsibility for Thanet’s waste and recycling service away from the current portfolio holder, Cllr Alan Poole.
Residents of Thanet have reported numerous and significant problems with the service since the introduction of the new Waste and Recycling regime in November. At December’s council meeting, Shadow Cabinet Member, Cllr Simon Moores asked Cllr Poole whether, given existing problems, he was confident that Thanet residents would get their waste collected over the holiday period. Cllr Poole answered that he was. Feedback from residents across the Isle suggests that, in fact, there continues to be significant failings in the service.
Cllr Moores said: “I recognise that over Christmas there were issues with the weather, but given the widespread concern over this issue, not just over the holiday period but since the introduction of the new recycling regime, I think that the public have lost faith in Cllr Pooole and it is time for a change of portfolio holder.”
Conservative Group Leader, Cllr Bob Bayford said: “Incredibly, Cllr Poole has blamed Thanet residents for problems with the new service and, clearly, contingency plans for an efficient service during the Christmas and New Year period were not adequate. Cllr Hart has already removed Cllr Poole from the Pleasurama debacle, due to his incompetent handling of the situation, and it is imperative that he should now give responsibility for Waste and Recycling to someone up to the task.”
To be fair he's not quite as boring as you Tony, but then who is?
ReplyDeleteSays avid reader
DeleteWell said tone and it looks as though TDC were issuing statements for Cllr Poole without him seeing them - a complete puppet of the civil servants outrageously blaming the public. Why at the messiest time of year are the bins not collected even more? And why still only 50% recycling? Pandering to the unions and a cushy life on the rates is what it looks like. More sackings needed.
ReplyDeleteSackings indeed but as we all know TDC is run for the benefit of staff and councillors so no chance.
DeleteA petition here would be a good start: nominations for the sack at TDC? Mcgonigal? Poole?
DeleteWe all know that no-one will actually start a petition, and that includes you anon!
DeleteWe all know that no anonymous commentator is brave enough to put together a petition, don't we?
DeleteDo you mean a brave petitioner like you Anon 09:08? No names are required: just post the name of who you think should be sacked at TDC. We have Magonigal as a start.
DeleteHarvey should go for illegal TDC filming ban
DeleteAlan Poole: why are we presumably paying more for having the bins collected after Xmas? And why is there an extra £10,000 for overseeing a department? That's what councillors do isn't it? How many binmen are at TDC? 10?20?30?
DeleteHarrison: that fool is now in charge of floods it seems. No wonder we're waist-deep in winter or shit in summer: http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/emergency-cash-could-be-heading-10937/
DeleteEveritt and Ferrygate must be up for the sack.
DeleteWhat about Laurel and Hardy? Your comments 15:44 are mind blowing in their sharpness. Just how do you live with an IQ like yours?
DeleteTry and keep on topic 16:02 rather than just insults. We are discussing which councillors should be sacked. Not Everitt you say?
DeleteGetting rid of Everitt would save us all a fortune in tax.
DeleteDo leave it out, Tim, nobody is going to be sacked simply because you say so on a blog site. Why not tell us what exactly Everitt has done wrong, with evidence, and then you might build up some support. Simply calling for sackings, or your other favourite, arrests, achieves nothing.
DeleteIf we're in petition mode, I go with the first anonymous commentator (4 January, 22.45). Mind you, Tony, you have given me a laugh with your claim that you "prefer facts on these pages". Oh the humour of you UKIP people…
ReplyDeleteTony's making a difference with TDC but all you can do is anonymously insult 11:07. Go do something more useful if you can.
DeleteSee the Labour luvvies now brand their non-Tory opponents as UKIP instead of BNP these days. They still cannot face either facts or constructive criticism, which is why they always cock things up.
DeleteWorth reviewing the TDC 2030 Vision cobblers from 3 or 4 years ago:
Deletehttp://thanet.gov.uk/about-us/thanet-vision-2030/
Neither a busy cargo airport nor thriving windfarms nor quality council seem feasible?
More Mickey Mouse African cargo planes at Manston-Gloag don't make a sustainable business. What's happening with Police checks and the pollution and route fines?
DeleteNothing, Tim, so why do you keep asking the same fool questions.
DeleteWhat is foolish about TDC ignoring the required pollution and cancer risk at Manston again as you would say? And why accuse everyone of being Tim over the very real problems with Manston?
DeleteBecause you are, Tim, there's nobody else as boring in Thanet.
DeleteTim is boring because he has raised safety and cancer problems over Manston 14:54?
DeleteYes, Tim, because you raise it over and over all to no avail. It is not a debate, but a boring repetition of the same old line.
DeleteI am also concerned about Manston 16:04 and the safety problems caused by TDC and more public funds for a Parkway. Since when did you (or they for that matter) decide that any of this is acceptable?
DeleteManston is not boring for Carter and Hart to meet Gloag. What was those dicussions about?
DeleteWhat WAS those discussions about? A bit of revision on the use of verbs might help, Anon.
Delete...only in assisting your pedantry 11:20, now what was those Hart/Carter/Gloag discussions about Manston? And do you have the minutes?
DeleteNo, why would I, but you could make an FOI request for a copy if they exist other than in your vivid imagination, Timmy boy.
DeleteWe seem to have a serial Tim obsessive again who crops up whenever Manston is raised. Why would minutes of the two Leaders on Manston not be produced especially given the safety failures by the councils? You're probably right though yet more secrecy but Clive can tell us.
DeleteThe only obsession most of us have with Tim is how to get rid of his cretin comments around the blogs. MP and Mayor candidate, what a joke.
DeleteNo, it seems only you are obsessed with Tim and (less so now) Holyer and Epps. And why does it happen whenever Manston is mentioned 21:22? It's as if you want to restrict the discussion though anonymous insult and vitriol?
DeleteListen carefully, Timmy, the only obsession any of us have with you is how to get rid of you from the blogs for your comments on Manston, arrests, corruption, pollution, 0% salaries et al, are simply mindless one liners invariably and utterly boring. You are incapable of debate or much else I expect.
DeleteOh dear so many anonymous contributions,,,,,,however this is aimed at Anonymous Monday, 6 January 2014 18:45:00 GMT.
DeleteI fear Sir it is you who are the fool, KCC is responsible for flood reaction. The KCC councillor is indeed one Mike Harrison, however it is most definitly NOT this Mike Harrison. The KCC Mike Harrison lives in and represents Whitstable. Just the facts Sir, just the facts,,,,,
Sorry to disappoint you, Anon, but I have nothing whatsoever to do with the Labour Party. And my reference to UKIP pursues a line of challenge against Tony that has been running from several sources for some time. It is based on the closeness of his ideas to UKIP, rather than the Liberal Democrat Party to which he says he belongs.
ReplyDeleteAnd there is nothing constructive in the rants that appear on this blog. Tony has been invited many times to say how he would tackle local issues, what he would do, but offers the square root of **** all in response.
Perhaps if blogs developed specific, detailed proposals, sought public support for them, and then presented them to the TDC - whoever might be in charge of it politically - we would have a constructive blogging scene. For now, we don't.
14 02 Take a gander at the liberal democrat principles these refer to fairness community equality things that bother neither labour hacks like yourself or conservatives. This is my personal blog but even so I don't stray from my party's core values.
DeleteHow you conclude that I'm some agent for UKIP, if you hadn't noticed this posting concerns the awful management of waste by the labour run council, and the bare faced cheek of Poole pointing the finger at the public.
And don't say your not a labour supporter, otherwise you'd address the topic not me.
Finally I don't see any honest labour figures rallying to Poole's corner because clearly as some of his colleagues have made clear TDC have cocked up
You really must try and cure yourself of your delusion that everyone who challenges you is a Labour supporter. Some people just abhore your tactics and constant moaning.
DeleteIf apply some logic etc to your comments then you'd pretty much have to be a labour lackey, I'm only drawing attention to the shoddy service and lack candor from those I believe to be your colleagues
DeleteTDC corruption and incompetence in the newspapers:
Deletehttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/politicians-behaving-badly-culture-of-secrecy-and-sexism-the-result-of-changes-to-the-way-complaints-about-councillors-are-dealt-with-9039179.html
Our councillors are actually destroying the area through their behaviour. How do we get rid of them? Even they must agree they are useless and want to resign?
Talk about ironic Cllr Moores quoted on council corruption in the above article! He has some cheek.
DeleteLike Magonigal, Moores will keep his head down on the corruption and keep taking the monthly salary as long as possible. 18 months to the next election? how much would that be?
DeleteTry working it out yourself, Tim, for it is good brain training and you need all you can get of that.
DeleteMoores would work everything out to 0%!!!
DeleteIndeed but Macginigal would pocket about £150,000 and Moores about £80,000. Not bad really.
Delete£230,000 is only about £2 per person in Thanet so not that much really.
DeleteCllr Poole got himself into a hole again and forgot the first law of holes as established by Denis Healey; Healey's First law of holes is to stop digging. New Statesman 9. 8 November 1986.
ReplyDeleteHe is not the first Thanet councillor to ignore this law and wont be the last. When are these people going to realise that many of the public cant be fooled by press releases that are flawed.
You're talking horseshat !4:02. Tony has far more to say than your rather vacuous and one-sided insults. Tell us specifically what you would do about TDC? Tell us then who you would approach and why/what they would do about your no doubt idiotic views. Unless you provided a bung?
ReplyDeleteTony has a great deal to say, Anon, but how much of it adds any value or anything positive? He is a perpetual critic but without ever setting out what he would do differently or instead. He has been pressed to do so many times on many issues. In your challenge to me you've picked the wrong target - I'm not the one making loads of noise about service failures.
ReplyDeleteSince your comments are supporting labour incompetence, we appreciate that even the most stupid of labour bods would not be kicking up a stink over the waste chaos
DeleteBut you add even less value 8:21. Simply criticising Tony on his own blog is stupid. How would you improve TDC? This is your opportunity to impress us.
DeleteTony has presented the challenge, Anon. It is for him to come up with alternatives and solutions. It is for HIM to impress you.
ReplyDeleteIt's clear you have nothing to say about improving TDC then 12:46 beyond dreary carping about Tony having nothing to say. Do be quiet.
Delete12 46 all I've done is pointed out a bad situation even to the average idiot labour supporter the falt is clear weak and feeble management which naturally suggest that people like Poole and his officer counterpart need to shape up or ship out
DeleteA pity that you are falling in with your new far-right political cronies, Tony, and using insults so freely. People are entitled to support Labour - just as you promote UKIP thinking and ideals - without being "idiots".
Delete10 07 in common with most of the population I support some of the aspirations of UKIP however they represent a one trip pony, so assuming they achieved their goals they would then have no purpose.
DeleteSimple souls such as yourself are so full of bigotry that you have to characterise a legitimate concern about this nation with far right leanings.
Just how far cretins of the left will go have been revealed this weekend by revelations that bigots who run Bbc news have suppressed facts and debate on migration.
I very much hope, if you stand for election again, Tony, that you tell the Labour voters you are trying to win over that they are, in your opinion, idiots and cretins. You should get your just desserts!
DeleteSpeaking of desserts: obesity restrictions in Medway that seem interesting to prevent rows of takeaway shops and fatty foods
Deletehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-25634056
It's not down to me to offer those thoughts, Anon, but clearly we have very different opinions on responsibility and accountability. Let's just agree to differ.
ReplyDeleteOf course it's down to you 6:44. You have an an opinion just as Tony does. But now we see you can only criticise and have nothing to offer instead in improving the failure of TDC. You have neither responsibility nor accountability for your criticism so do be quiet.
DeleteI'm sorry to spoil your obvious wish to have the last word, Anon - however pointless. Most sensible people would agree that if you are criticising TDC - as Tony is (and of course he's entitled to do so) - it is reasonable to be asked to set out your alternatives, your own ideas, your suggested solutions. That is what I have argued Tony should do. I have observed that never does this, whatever the issue.
ReplyDeleteI am not the one banging on about the current service failures, so your claim that I should offer ideas about improving matters is plainly misguided.
Of course a) you know that, and b) you would be taking Tony to task if the political colouring was different.
You are probably right,though, that we should (all) hush, in case we stir the two panto dames, Epps and Holyer, and prompt them to slap on the greasepaint and re-enter the blogging fray. Would we want that? Oh, no we wouldn't.
Your assumptions are of your own making 10:05. You can provide no comment or views on TDC - indeed now you seem to be suggesting there is no problem at TDC despite the bins farce, Pleasurama or corruption/incompetence report from the Standards Committee and so on.
DeleteTony has not only criticised TDC fairly but pointed out that resignations are needed. Why do you insist on insulting that view? You have nothing to say at all and your argument on how Tony should respond on his blog is again only your own statement.
No substance to your views again 10:05 beyond insults. Do impress us if you have anything useful to say on TDC though.
DeleteYou side-step so deftly, Anon. Mind you don't trip over and break something.
ReplyDeleteNo substance again 11:02. Do impress us with your views on TDC if you have any.
DeleteNo substance because he has nothing between the ears.
DeleteUnless he is a councillor he must have a view on the corruption report by the Standards Committee and Labour abuse for even daring to raise it.
Delete12:59, do try to get the message. He does not have a view on anything. He just makes mindless comments asking for other people's views or what they are going to do about things. His only contribution beyond that is to collect his disability living allowance.
DeleteAnon(s), you seem to possess a perverse, dare I say twisted, logic.
DeleteYou are desperate for me to set out my thoughts on TDC - past and present - yet I have made NO comment, positive or negative, about reported service failures. That isn't to say I think everything is rosy, but I haven't chosen to trumpet my views publicly. So what is there for me to explain for you? Nothing.
Tony, on the other hand, has condemned TDC over waste collections - as he is perfectly entitled to do - and I have argued that he should go further to set out his alternatives and solutions. Perfectly reasonable and standard if we are to have positive and constructive "opposition".
He has said simply certain heads should roll, and you seem satisfied with that. Well then you're easily pleased.
Simply repeating your same twisted and misguided message over and over does not make you look very clever.
This is saying nothing again but very long-winded 17:25. You say you have no view on TDC but criticise Tony for expressing one. Then you say there may be service failures (or may not who knows what you think) but you'll keep quiet even as Anon for some reason. So tell us what you think about TDC and how you would improve it (or not) without sackings?
DeleteI assume you can read, Anon 17.39, but you clearly don't understand. I have NOT criticised Tony for expressing a view. I have simply argued he should go further to set out his alternatives. You clearly don't believe in the principle of constructive opposition. Fine. We differ.
DeleteYou make no sense again 17:43. Of course you have criticised Tony for having a view on TDC - and you have done so at some length now. Yet you lack the capability to even know whether TDC is incompetent or not or how to improve it?
DeleteRepeating the same non-point ad nauseam may give you pleasure, Anon 17.51, but I am sure other readers are tiring of this exchange. I certainly am. Sad, though, that you can't differentiate between, on the one hand, having the ability to analyse and form considered opinions, and, on the other, trumpeting them publicly.
DeleteYou seem to have a weird pleasure in criticising others but having no views of your own even when asked. If you now do not even know whether TDC is incompetent or not or whether Tony is right to suggest sacking people at TDC what is the point of you commenting? You're simply an anonymous whinger who'll disagree with everyone on everything for the sake of it. Tell us what you think about TDC or why Tony is wrong or be quiet.
DeleteAnon 08.02, you are obviously an argumentative and pugilistic character. This exchange resembles previous encounters I, and others, have had with the likes of Tom Clark, John Holyer and their ilk. Those have gone nowhere, as well. You are going round and round in circles of your own creation and will, I suspect, disappear in a puff of smoke.
Delete11:56, it was either Tim Clark or Tom Clarke, but never Tom Clark, so if anyone is going round in circles of their own confusion, it might be you. Shame though that you do not disappear in a puff of smoke. You would not be missed.
DeleteGoodness, Anon, 13.36, you ARE persistent! Sadly, recycling what is said or put to YOU and then hurling it back at its source - you have done this several times in this exchange - does not make you look as intellectually superior as I suspect you think you are. I do, though, bow to your obviously greater knowledge of other serially argumentative bloggers from the "past".
DeleteGlad you bow to something, Anon, but it is only down to paying attention and retaining information in the cells of which I suspect you have a shortage. Whereas I do not habitually regard myself as intellectually superior, in your case it would be difficult not to be.
DeleteYou're still dodging the question of TDC incompetence 11:56. Whinging about Tony and random insults to cover your waffle seems the best you can muster. What are your views on TDC? It's very simple.
DeleteWell, Anon 14.47, you excel at rudeness so on that count at least you can hold your head high above your peers in the playground. Congratulations!
DeleteFirst Anon of 17.29…oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Just go back and read my comment of 17.25 yesterday. It sets out the position, and the logic, with absolute clarity. If you are really so desperate to collect views about TDC, then might I suggest you hook up with Anon of 14.47 and share. I am sure you'll amuse each other for hours.
DeleteUnfortunately 18:03 it's the same empty waffle as your latest post now. You have had every opportunity to speak up and can only offer silly insults. Clearly you have nothing to contribute to this discussion on TDC incompetence and corruption.
DeleteI support Tony's view that the TDC recycling system and response is incompetent and sackings are part of the necessary improvement.
One point that hasn't been discussed is how recycling is carried out and whether 50% is the best we can achieve. You don't need to bother contributing to the discussion any more.
Well at least this time Anon 00.43 you're not resorting to your "club's" use of disability, psychiatric illness or unemployment as forms of abuse against those with whom you disagree, I see you couldn't resist the temptation in your post of 13.05 on Tuesday, though. I do so hope no-one in your circle ever succumbs to one of those conditions - goodness knows what you would do to them.
DeleteWhatever, I note you view sackings as "part of the necessary improvement". Given that Tony is disinclined to share his alternatives and solutions - as a critic of TDC - what is the rest of the improvement programme that you (and he?) view as necessary?
Your latest post is again almost wilfully wrong. The 13:05 post is not mine. And any abuse you see is fairly feeble and certainly less than you have repeatedly issued in your posts.
DeleteYou are again casting around to dodge the question on what you think of TDC etc.
That distraction is then matched by ignoring that Tony has specified sackings as one of his solutions. And I agree with him.
You then - idiotically - ask for my or his view.
You were asked to provide your view - again -and have not done so - again.
The discussion has moved on to the recycling rate and you no longer need to contribute as it's clear you can only waffle and insult and have nothing to contribute.
I won't reply to any more of your posts.
At last a sensible outcome, Anon. I have said to you several times that our exchange was going nowhere, but you have persisted with your argumentative and pugilistic "replies", and your recycling (that's topical) of points I have made to you. Just for the record, the ONLY "solution" that anyone has offered is sackings, nothing more, so when you say "one of [the] solutions" you are trying to dress up a rather weak position. Bye bye.
DeleteThanet Star says zero landfill is possible rather than 50%. Plastic bags ban?
DeleteThe Thanet Star also claimed that John Worrow is homophobic and that Folk Week is in November. So hardly a reliable source.
DeleteLet us know when you've started the petition. Looking forward to signing it.
ReplyDeleteEmpty comments again Anon 16:25 as we were discussing TDC corruption. What do you think of the corruption?
DeleteWhat petition and how would we know you signed it?
I think, Anon 16.54, you are becoming confused and are assuming that all the anonymous comments you don't like are from the same source. I know it's difficult…but they're not.
DeleteYou're right 17:27 several people comment here, and do you know what the petition is? Or is it too difficult for you?
DeleteHow can KCC get their accounts in 3 months early every year for 10 years?!
ReplyDeleteSurely they must be just rejigging the numbers around as with TDC and EKO rather than ensuring best value. We need FOI if the councillors don't even see the accounts.
You're unlikely to get any support here for a challenge to KCC, Anon 07.44. It is a Conservative authority, and you are more lkely to be accused of trying to deflect attention from the troubled TDC, which is of course, Labour.
ReplyDeleteAnon 11:59, think you will find 07:44 is just anti everything and everyone and their political preference does not enter the equation. He would sack and arrest every last councillor and council officer, but what he thinks could replace them he never says. After all, as soon as they took up office they would become themselves candidates for arrest or sacking.
DeleteIndeed, the only things he seems to support are Kim Jong and the Ho Chi Min club.
What nonsense 7:44 to say that Conservatives would not oppose corruption and incompetence. At best that's a jaundiced view of politics where the party can get away with fraud etc. How can KCC issue accounts 3 months early? And why have no councillors seen the accounts or queried them? It is £2Bn of our tax they are supposed to be looking after.
DeleteWe seem to have geriatric councillors that literally do nothing other than ride around in chauffeur driven cars bickering with each other and raising tax.
3 months early means the accounts are out by upto 25% each year - can everyone do that?
DeleteYou're at it again NotTimAnon 13:31 obsessed with Tim again. And you really haven't a clue about Everitt and Ferrygate? And, hilariously, you expect us to brief you for yet more of your foolish comments?
ReplyDeleteI don't know who most anons are although Tim is always very obvious with his pet phrases. Just one question, Tim, why have you switched to here from Thanetonline. Fed up with Michael deleting your repetitive rubbish?
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