I just wonder what sort of consultation (The local plan) Thanet council are running since they appear to offer most opportunity to the unemployed, unemployable and retired, given that their drop in consultations are mainly held during working hours suited for societies drop outs.
The location for these consultations or "Drop in" sessions which number is six in total have two in Margate and two in Broadstairs, Ramsgate is given parity with Birchington, Thanet's retirement home having just one session and those in Minster, forget about it.
Personally I am not a great believer in public consultation since I imagine the authors of such grandiose plans, have already considered the insanity of building a further 12,000 homes in Thanet and deemed it as perfectly rational.
Finally maybe it is a good idea to not seek the views of Ramsgate people assuming they act in the same self-seeking way as Labour counsllors from that town with regards to Manston airport.
PS I find it hard to imagine that in the time up to 2031which this plan covers that 12000 jobs will be created to finance 12000 homes, I've lived in thanet for 55 years and I don't expect 12,000 jobs have been created in that time, so it looks like this local plan is based on taxpayer money to provide the finance for and increased population which might explain such a crazy situation requiring Thanet to build on a massive scale.
PPS The idea that Thanet council officers are capable of planning anything seems a big ask, and assuming that this plan is a real dogs breakfast of opportunity for local land owners and greedy developers, it probably wont effect the authors since they probably earn more than enough for nice retirement home in southern europe.
I don't see the connection between homes and jobs. More homes will be needed because of population growth. People still need housing, whether there are jobs or not.
ReplyDeleteI assume you don't see the connection because either you have inherited vast wealth and never worked or are of the class that worries about bedroom tax and benefits finding it to irksome to climb out of your bed each day to fund your lifestyle perhaps one of those lazybone types now exiled from london boroughs such as Kensington and Chelsea the tax payer no longer willing to fund housing they themselves cannot afford.
ReplyDeleteWhat a bizarre response to my innocent suggestion that people will need somewhere to live, whether or not they have a job. How that makes me a lazy rich kid, I fail to understand!
DeleteIt's the sort of reply you'll get from a thicko like Tony. It would appear his dole-scrounger hat is on today as well as his punctuation phobia.
DeleteYou see, Tony lives in a right wing, fact-free, fantasy land where the bad guys are a few hundred dole scroungers, lefties and people who actually give a damn about others and the good guys are the hate filled and tax avoiders. If he engaged brain, read outside of his limited range and stopped thinking he's anything other than a dope, he might actually have something valid and worthwhile to say.
I like Tony's views and disagree with many of them but dole scrounger costs are 10x less than errors by the DSS. Pakis stealing benefits etc make good headlines in the Daily Mail but are minor fragments of the truth,
DeleteTDC have been sold a pup by a planner from Birmingham. I wonder how much they paid for it. The consultation is a joke as only computer wiz kids can effectively comment on line. If you manage to read the plans 260 odd pages and follow the evidence (which is very sketchy) even the less intelligent would come to the conclusion it is full of planning speak and not fit for purpose. Is there no councillors that can see this.
ReplyDeletewell said Tony in your blog post: why aren't the civil servants holding these consultations of an evening or weekend? It's what they're paid for before they start thinking of overtime...And you're right that building houses doesn't equate to jobs or certainly not many. And margate is dyiing off anyway.
ReplyDeleteAnd well said 12:47 with Tone's chips on his shoulder growign ever larger.
And well said 12:00 - is it really 260 pages? No wonder they get no replies or have to keep asking for consultations. They seem only capable of putting up tax for their own wages and pensions and pouring concrete...
Tony should be more worried about Margate TDC messing up Dreamland reopening and what seems the repairs done out of old pallets that has fallen apart. Who's in charge of delivering Dreamland? It seems shambolic.
DeleteIts central government planning that require Thanet to build an additional 12,000 home based on population growth due to birth rate and people living longer. Just like every other part of Kent and the country. Why should Thanet be exempt from this? You cant blame TDC for this but its down to the coalition. Tony, you need to lobby your Libdem candidates, have you no children and grandchildren that need or will need somewhere to live?
ReplyDeleteTony's keeping quiet on Geoge Cunnignham being illegal to stand as a serving civil servant
DeleteRe George Cunningham it seems that he is legally entitled to stand as he is not a civil servant he works for the EU which is I'm told a club and not as I though a state which usurps British sovereignty.
DeleteIt seems I have encouraged a rag bag of left wing nuts, just briefly at least Lib dems have done something to help education unlike the sleazebag Labour of the last government.
thought - correction for the grammar nazi
DeleteTony at 17:51 good joke about the EU as a club but it is elected and with civil servants. Cunnigham is one and this banned from elections. Or are you saying he is entitled to stand and say using his position to get Taiwan to visit Manston is acceptable? (I'm not even sure his EU-Libdem political group of civil servants is legal?) It wouldn't be for UK civil servants so you're saying the EU has priority over UK? And Libdems can rewrite the election rule book as they see fit?
DeleteAs I see it the EU acts like a state not unlike the soviet union although in this case it is run by Germany assisted by its old collaborator France.
DeleteWhether it is right is another question, incidentally I understand, will Scobie has had some work experience in the EU although I'm not sure whether he paid or not by the British tax payer
You're dodging the Cunningham civil servant issue for a Libdem election.
DeleteScobie studied politics at university but he's now funded by...the LibDems. And as a Margate councillor why is he not standing in Margate and Thanet North. Is there no Labour candidate there?
Lord Oakeshott of Libdems is funding 30 Labour candidates to £10k each including Will. Either the Libdems or Labour don't really stand for anything any more if they're funding each other.
Delete0639 I'm not dodging the question, I myself would say that by any logic, George Cunningham is a servant civil or otherwise working for a government in this case the EU which has final say in much of British legislation.
DeleteThis is a personal view but one im happy to argue should any one wish to do so.
Still I don't doubt that Mr Cunningham is p probably not the only person in this situation.
I'm sure that this has been mulled over before he was cleared as ap potential candidate
So Cunningham is illegally standing you're now saying Tony?
DeleteTony on 24th Jan: "Re George Cunningham it seems that he is legally entitled to stand as he is not a civil servant he works for the EU"
DeleteWhich is it Tone? legal or not?
I personally have difficulty distinguishing my understanding of civil servant and electoral law however clearly he is not breaking the law.
DeleteIt's one of those irrational things we live with like labours most successful leader taking money from human rights abusers making money from middle East conflict.
Your reply is incoherent Tony.
DeleteThe law forbids civil servants and judges from standing for parliament. Cunningnham is a civil servant so why are the Libdems allowing him to stand?
Are they so desperate for candidates? If he was Labour would you accept it? Have the Electoral Commission been notified and approved it?
Your arguments, your twisted logic, and your obsessions are fast making you look totally foolish, Tony. I would strongly urge you to quit blogging, or change from trying to address "politics". All that said, you are obviously perfectly in tune and line with the rest of UKIP's membership.
Delete"I've lived in thanet for 55 years and I don't expect 12,000 jobs have been created in that time."
ReplyDeleteThat's a gem of idiocy! Out of a wide selection of Flaig Fails that's one of the bast.
Keep it up Halfwit.
Tony's right: 12000 jobs havent been created from building houses. And with Thanet's economy in decline probably not that many in the wider economy
Deletebast? Fails? errors mistake surely
DeleteMy reference 12000 jobs not having been added to Thanets pool in my 55 years living locally was to point to our stagnant economy and hardly idiocy, I realise that the left must be encouraged by the dross that are now taking up residence from London but they add nothing to Thanet.
DeleteHow can there be an increased population and housing need with so many empty houses in Margate? The population growth forecasts similar to this one were obviously wrong. Kent has too many houses not too few and shoddy ones such as Arlington House that should be demolished.
ReplyDeleteI see that Thanet Online is now doing what Simon Moores did for a while. Answering Rick on blog without publishing the comments he allegedly sent.
ReplyDeleteWhereas Moores admitted in the end that he knew nothing, about a Birchington gun range activity, Michael Child cannot do that. He has been somewhat coy over some years concealing he is in fact a long term acquaintance of a man called Malcolm who was a witness to paramilitary training activity both in the TA and at the said range.
Rick, you've never been able to explain the Thanet gun range issue so nobody except you is interested. Write your own blog and explain it if you can. Paramilitary training in the TA? That's what it's for!
DeleteSo anyone who happens to be around during the day is one of "society's drop-outs". Shift-workers, the retired, and no doubt others are, according to Mr Flaig, "drop-outs".
ReplyDeleteI hope you take yourself seriously, Tony, because absolutely no-one else does.
Tony you really are cynical has someone upset you. Not everyone who is DFL are scrounging a good many people are relocating here. I doubt the for ins are worth going to and are just PR. You should know better than think they will offer you info.
ReplyDeleteWhen's your next holiday due Tony because the tone of this rant leads me to think you need one.
Don yes I'm cynical, there is little to be chipper about at the moment, internationally the world is threatened by a handful of deranged religious bigots, this country lowered flags to half mast as a mark is respect to the departed leader of a country that has no civil rights and funds p previously mentioned bigots.
DeleteLocally this last year has Thanet has declined further, labour involved in secret deals away from public scrutiny,
I think we all need a holiday, anyway that aside I trust you are in good spirit and long may it be so.
At a recent evening local planning consultation evening, the planners were challenged on the mismatch between the 12,000 homes figure and the wish to create 5,000 jobs over the same period. Their answer was the jobs would in part be filled via inward migration, and if we wanted more jobs we may need 20,000 homes. The gasps of astonishment were followed by real anger and the meeting ended somewhat chaotically shortly after.
ReplyDeleteHow do they explain inward (and outward) migration to towns and jobs equating to homes. Sounds idiotic.
DeleteUKIP have given up on mass deportation haven't they? Only deportation for illegal immigrants the same as all the other parties?
The number of social housing properties that become available is about 350 and the number of applicant on the waiting list is over 6000. By the time the 12,000 properties are built in 20 years time there will be enough local residents waiting to fill them. The council were given £4 millions to buy up 120 empty properties in 2012 and bring them back into use. So it will take a lot of government cash to bring the reported 3000 empty properties back into use.
ReplyDeleteSurely the 3,000 properties will be funded for repair the same way as any of the 12,000 new ones? Neither needs huge amounts of government cash?
DeleteAnd the 6k waiting list is made up of people that have a council house and want to change it - but even if its wasn't why do we need 12,000 houses ie over double if not treble the existing number with 3,000 empty and symptomatic of a declining population not a growing one?