Thursday, January 27, 2011

You're resigning then Cllr Hart

clive hart celebratesHere follows the content of Cllr Clive Harts, response, to Cllr Mark Nottingham's recent claims, I was considering emailing him to ask if he would be resigning, I take a guess the answer would be Yes but hopefully the party faithful will beg him to stay INTENDING, should that be I am?

Any way enjoy! Please note no responsibility is taken for these comments but as someone who believes in the right to express oneself.


Cllr Clive Hart


Mark Nottingham's wildly inaccurate and defamatory allegations made in his 'open letter' to me have come as a great disappointment.  He appears to be very angry at the situation he finds himself in, and sadly he is therefore lashing out at anyone and everyone, whilst totally failing to look at himself.

Firstly, I can't help but note the timing of Mark's 'open letter' to me which coincides with my having two close relatives (my mother and brother) in hospital, both fighting extremely serious and potentially life threatening conditions.

Mark's sad and anxious rant is full of inaccuracies, false allegations and ridiculous innuendo and it says far more about him and his state of mind than it does about myself or any other member of the Labour Party.

I have a longstanding and completely unblemished reputation and in particular I have spent the last two decades, leading, supporting and working passionately with and for numerous community, voluntary and political organisations at local, county and national level.  My life is an open book.  My comprehensive CV is attached to this email and absolutely anyone can follow my daily life through twitter & facebook on the internet.

Labour is a democratic party and local branches choose their own candidates for town, district and county elections, it was therefore Mark's own Ramsgate branch who decided to 'deselect' him. I am a member of Cliftonville branch and I took absolutely no part in the selection meeting held in Ramsgate.  I feel extremely sorry for Mark but at the end of the day, members of his own branch, for whatever reason, decided they didn't want him to be their candidate in the 2011 elections.  If I were Mark I would be asking myself what had I done to make that happen, not trying to point the finger at everyone else.

Mark's concerns have been thoroughly investigated and rejected by all the relevant bodies and committees here locally in Thanet and following yet further and extremely thorough investigation, the Labour Party South East Regional Director has confirmed "Labour's candidates for Thanet District Council were selected by the Labour Party's agreed process. The allegations made by Mark Nottingham have been fully investigated by the Labour Party and all of his complaints have been dismissed. Mark Nottingham is not a candidate for the Labour Party for the Thanet District Council elections".

Unfortunately, Mark will simply not accept the situation.

Those are the facts, but for clarification of the situation that Mark finds himself in, I now introduce a statement that I would swear to be true in any court in the land:


"On the Saturday morning following the Ramsgate TDC selection meeting in 2010, Mark Nottingham appeared behind me in a car park just off of Northdown Road in Margate, as I was parking my own car.

He came up to me and started to complain that 'someone' had told him I had somehow arranged for him to be de-selected.

I told him he was daft and that I had absolutely no part in the proceedings.  Indeed, as group leader, his deselection as a candidate had caused me all kinds of problems.  I also told him I was only present in the room on that evening to make the meeting chorate if I was needed (as per party rules).  I wasn't needed but I stayed simply to be respectful to all candidates (as did the rest of the Executive Committee).  I also told Mark - absolutely truthfully - that had I been allowed to vote, I MOST CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR HIM.

I then asked Mark who exactly had been saying I'd been working against him, because I wanted to speak to them personally and put them right - I was very assertive with this reply because I knew I had done absolutely no such thing.  Mark would not say who and I can only imagine his original suggestion that I was involved in some way was some kind of trick to 'out' me as 'someone against him', if it were true.  It didn't work because IT SIMPLY WAS NOT TRUE!

MORE IMPORTANTLY, because I had been so assertive with my absolutely truthful response he then started to get very agitated and told me he didn't care about next year’s local elections and that he would 'shred' all those involved in the selection process. He most certainly used the word ‘shred’ in relation to those involved and although I can’t remember his precise words he definitely said he didn’t care about next year’s elections.

He then walked off and across the road to the Labour office.  I was extremely annoyed by his ridiculous allegations and even more so regarding his comments about 'shredding' fellow members and his total disregard for his Labour colleagues and the forthcoming local elections.

I got back into my car, drove out of the car park and stopped just outside the Labour office.  I entered and stood in the doorway.  In front of at least four other members I shouted from the doorway across the room at Mark that I was appalled by his ridiculous allegations, his remark about shredding his fellow members and his attitude towards the 2011 elections.  I added "what happened to you at the selection meeting was a tragedy and as I said, had I been allowed to vote I would have voted for you, but after your comments across the road in the car park just then, I can only say the Ramsgate members made the right decision at your selection meeting, whatever their reasons".

The next morning I met with Mark and another member in the same office in an effort to reconcile matters and by the end of our hour and a half long meeting I truly thought I had convinced Mark of the truth that I had absolutely nothing to do with his deselection. I felt we were leaving that meeting on good terms so I told Mark I would put his appalling comments made in the car park down to his anger and forget the whole matter.

Unfortunately, despite the total absurdity of his allegations,  Mark has continued to blame myself and several other innocent members over this matter, and to this very day.  He absolutely fails to see that he himself could be in any way responsible for what was clearly his own unpopularity with his Ramsgate colleagues".


I repeat, I am quite prepared to swear the statement above to be true in any court in the land.

I am a team player and always have been.  However, I simply refuse to be the leader of a group with a member who behaves in the manner of Mark Nottingham.

1) I therefore intend to stand down as the Leader of the Labour Group.

2) As I have done consistently, every single day for well over three weeks now, I will continue to visit and support my close family members in our local QEQM hospital.

3) I will remain a loyal Labour councillor and continue to work with colleagues Cllrs Linda Aldred and Doug Clark for the residents of Cliftonville West and to retain our seats at TDC, where we still have so much work to do.

4) I will continue in my role as secretary of Cliftonville Labour Party.

5) I will most certainly continue with all my numerous voluntary and community roles in organisations across Thanet.

6) I will consider the possibility of any further roles within Thanet Labour Group after the May elections, if and when I am re-elected, in a group which the Regional Director has clearly stated will not include Mark Nottingham.

7) I will also be taking time to seriously consider possible legal action against Mark Nottingham.

Cllr Clive Hart


  1. Squabbling like school girls with no knickers, almost as bad as the other lot that pretend they are Conservatives.

  2. I've decide not to publish the attached CV, 9 pages

    Still I might consider serialising it over the next few Sundays

  3. > I take a guess the answer would be Yes but hopefully the party faithful will beg him to stay INTENDING should that be I am?


  4. As Clive has said before "You couldn't make it up"

    Lots of laughs still to come on this one!

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  6. By taking his original post off, Mark Nottingham shows that he is now aware that he has made a boo boo and that he has been out smarted by Clive hart!

  7. I read Mark Nottingham’s post.
    Mark Nottingham claimed Clive Hart wrote a false report on Kay Dark approving her as a candidate. Why doesn’t Clive Hart publish this report to show Mark Nottingham is wrong?
    Mark Nottingham claimed Kay Dark was not good enough to be a Labour councillor because she did not do work for her constituents in Northwood Ward. Why doesn’t Clive Hart provide evidence to show Mark Nottingham is wrong?
    Mark Nottingham claimed Kay Dark lied at the Northwood selection meeting. He then claimed Clive Hart ensured the investigations into this were cover ups. Again why doesn’t Clive Hart provide the evidence to show Mark Nottingham is wrong?
    Only a few chosen Clive Hart supporters have seen any documentation. My view is that if Clive Hart has to show his paperwork his claims will fall apart.

  8. Interesting comment by Readit referring to the other lot who pretend they are Conservatives. If the other lot are only pretend Conservatives who, precisely, are the real ones?

    Then we have "squabbling like school girls with no knickers." Is there any evidence to show that school girls with no underwear are anymore prone to squabbling than those with a good pair of briefs?

    As to the Labour party squabbles, what can one say. Loved Clive Hart's self proclaimed impeccable record and imagine the CV must be worth reading. Probably as impressive as that of Posh Spice academically! With leaders like these in waiting what has Thanet to fear!

  9. Believe me the CV is a work of art. Michael had it as a link in his press release last night. You wonder where the man found time to breath with all the other things he does.

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  11. Tony, there is no doubt that Hart has got what he richly deserves, " he who lives by the Sword , dies by the sword" how the Labour Group has tolerated such an incompetent person to lead them defies description, hence the author of a blog who wants to start a "real Socialist Movement"
    Harts career is not unblemished despite his protestation, however how the Labour group or whatever they call themselves kept him as a leader defies description.
    Go Clive and give the Party a chance at the next election, for Mark we are all sorry you have been deselected how about becoming an independent as you obviously feel that you should be elected

  12. There is no doubt that Mark has got what he richly deserves.

    Clive stays on as a coouncillor to fight another day - while Mark's day of being a councillor will soon be over, serves the bully right!

  13. Sleazebag politicians across the world, take heed, your days are numbered!

  14. I have now read Clive Hart's CV over on Michael Child's blog and like wow, where does that man find time to eat. See he also has several qualifications from IKEA, presumably in flat pack furniture assembly.

    Whoops! Sorry, that should be I&DEA.

  15. 8:41 Your warning to sleazebag politicians is all very well but have you not noticed who ultimately takes their place after the revolution, more and even sleazier politicians.

    Ian Smith replaced by Robert Mugabe should be enough to scare the pants of most folk. If not try the Shah of Persia turning to the Ayatollahs. The Shah continued to live elsewhere in luxury but the poor Persians (Iranians) did not in most cases, unless of course they were chums of the Ayatollah.

    Who is looking out for you come the revolution?

  16. I wonder if Mark is planning on standing as an Independent against his own party? I hear that this is how angry people loose when they can't cope with democratic decisions!

  17. Is that the same kind of Labour party democracy that saw David Milliband chosen by a majority of the last Labour cabinet, a majority of MPs, a majority of party members but lose out on the leadership to his brother who was more people's second choice. Some democracy but then, as another commentator on these pages often tells us, there is no democracy, just politics, scheming, manipulating and spin. Mark N has simply been out spun by someone clawing his way to the top over allcomers.

  18. A land of Democracy where the conservatives form a government while only gaining 36% of the overall vote where the turnout was only 65% of those entitled to vote.

    So about 1 in 5 of the UK adult population voted for David cameron!

  19. Did you complain when Labour were elected by a minority of the overall population. Probably not! It only offends when people you don't like get in by the system.

    It is the same as slagging off the LibDems for going into the Coalition for they would have been heralded by you, no doubt, had they signed up with Labour. Indeed, isn't Ed (everybody's second choice leader) trying to now woo the LibDem supporters.

    There may be no democracy in your view but there is hyprocisy in abundance.

  20. I know this is an old thread but I quote... 'I simply refuse to be the leader of a group with a member who behaves in the manner of Mark Nottingham.
    1) I therefore intend to stand down as the Leader of the Labour Group...'

    Er? Excuse me? Why are you still Leader of the Labour group then Cllr Hart?